Why can't the world live in harmony

[Neo_Keo]

This has been bothering me the whole day I have to let it out.
Today as I was cleaning at my family Donut shop. I switch the channel to HBO and I saw a little Documentary about Hate.

As I watch I was shocked and horrified by what I saw. The documentary showed, I don't evne know how to put this. It showed how hate groups use the net to influence others. It shown the use of various slur in text on its website.

It also had interviews with the people and they talk about their beliefs. I know that there are religions that hate another but I realy didn't notice it till now.

My heart reall sanked when I saw a little boy who spoke and had a website that tryies to reach kids.

I try to justify that within evryone there is good. If you've ever chat with me you would know that is true. I have great faith in the human spirit.

Well the one question I have and I'll probaly never get an answer is...... WHY? WHY does such strong hate exist? Why would anyone want to do things so horible? WHY??????????

 

[Cateran Emperor]

I for one cannot answer that. We all have instincts within us, and hatred is just one of them. I have hatred in me, but it's toward individual persons who shall remain nameless for some grievous wrong that they refuse to atone for. Why anyone would hate a certain group is beyond me, with the exception of a group bound together by a philosophy, where you have a good reason to hate them.

For example, in case you haven't been able to tell, I have a deep hatred of Socialists. There are some in my school I see every day and we have arguments daily over what system of government is right. Yet nothing ever comes of it, and I never act on my hatred. Despite how evil their message seems, they have the same right to their opinion that everyone else does, and I'll be damned if anyone is denied the right to say it (hence my sig )

 

[Hawaiian mage]

You want to know why Human hate? Simple. Too much oxygen. If we would just get rid of all that damn oxygen, everyone would be perfect and peacefull.

I have several carbon dioxide plants in the works all ready.

 

[Cateran Emperor]

Ooh! Ooh! Can we block out the sun too?

 

[Ura]

The issue of racial, religious, and discriminatory hate has been battered around for ages. Whether its been against a belief, a skin color, or a persons sex.
There is no realy cut and dry reason for it, and many of the people who have such hate for others all quote different reasons. Some hide behind the bible, others think that its because they lost their job to someone different. When it comes down to it all their excuses, imho, are a load of crap.
Why does hate exist? Because humans, as much as we like to pride ourselves on our intellect, are still animals. Its in our primal instinct to be afraid of what we don't understand.
Fear leads to anger and anger leads to hate.
Most of us rise above our primality though and have learned things like acceptance, love, and respect.
Its the haters ignorant refusal of such things that makes them hate and thus will be their downfall. Why they insist on spilling their poison into society I can't say, but as long as there are people out in the world that harbor such feelings, then its up to us to teach the real truths of friendship, respect, compassion, and all the other things that make the world great. That way one day there won't be such hate and future generations can live in a much more peaceful world then we do.

 

[Cateran Emperor]

I'd disagree in saying they're being barbaric. They're merely being themselves. I see respect, compassion, and friendship as good things, but as high ideals that not everyone considers high and aspire accordingly to. I see the proverbial bayonet over the olive brach as being sometimes a superior way to get things done. Remember, not everyone is a pacifist.

 

[Ura]

Oh I know that sometimes you have to be rough. I'm far from being a pacifist, and can appreciate a good head bashing as much as the next person. If push comes to shove then I'll scrap right with the rest of them. But only if its for a good reason. I don't hate any group, except for maybe the haters themselves. There are individuals I can honestly say I hate, but its for good reason too.

 

[Ristik]

The reason we hate is because people are constantly searching for somebody to blame for their situation, and God forbid that they are to blame for their own situations. Look at two of the greatest conflicts in history. In the Crusades, the European economy was beginning to worsen, so the Pope decided to blame the Muslims and start this whole jihad against them. In World War II, Germans were in financial hell. Hitler gave them somebody to blame in the Jews. Less extreme examples exist all over history.

 

[DÛke]

...this thread reminds me of my thread back at MTGnews: "The Nicest People on Earth".

Why can't people live in harmony; ask them. You and I, and everyone know someone that hates another, with or without a reason. No one can tell me that they don't know someone (in real life) that hates another for just basically the way they talk, look, or just simple racism. Maybe you guys don't know someone like that, or have no one that hates you for a blind reason. I do. I wasn't born in the U.S.; I came to the U.S. about 7 years ago, and still, to this day, some people treat me like a stupid foreigner. Why? Because of my accent? Does it really matter? Some treat me like s--t, and I'm talking about adults here, not teens, but fully-grown adults.

I have much more to say, but I have to go to school now.

 

[Gizmo]

It`s human nature. We are animals, we compete for resources. If you want to understand the nature of human group dynamics strong analogies must be drawn from the dynamics of our closest animal relations - apes.

Like apes our standard social strcuture is tribal, thius is a tribe not determined by family, but by other ties - friendship, workmates, as well as family. Anybody inside this family is protected, anybody outside this family is a potential threat.

I`m currently engaged in a Holocaust study in my university course, and I find the structuralist viewpoint very persuasive. This, as opposed the intentionalist viewpoint (that the genocide of the Jews was a constant goal Hitler worked towards), is a view that there was something inherent in the nature of society that led to the holocaust.

People hate, people look after number one, and then they look after numbers 2-thru-35. Anybody else can drop dead. The situation will only get worse as the human population has already vastly overshot the limits that the planet can sustain. We are existing on a resource deficit, and soon we will run out of currency.

"In World War II, Germans were in financial hell. Hitler gave them somebody to blame in the Jews."

Not really true. Yes, in 1939 the German economy was vastly overheating. but this was BECAUSE of the huge rearmament drive that the country was undergoing. The situation was a feedback loop that hurled Germany into European domination - they overspent to the point where they had to conquer new resources or collapse.
As for the Jews, Hitler`s anti-semitism was well in place by the time he entered his teens, and it has a strong history across Europe. Many Germans were all too happy to believe in the myth of a ludicrous Jewish-Bolshevist conspiracy if it meant more food for them and warmer clothes in winter.

You cannot really link the two strands to one another, World War Two was a result of Hitler`s traditionalist foreign policy of expansion and domination - the same as every other great power had pursued in the previous century. As for why the Holocaust occured there is no real concrete answer, only theories - was it planned from 1933? Did Hitler not really care what happened to them so long as they were out of Germany? Did Hitler intend to kill them if he got the chance? Or was it simply easier to kill them than to keep them alive? Was it even a decision taken by the upper levels of government, or were the killings begun by ordinary soldiers and policemen who had to find space for another 3m Jews in the ghettos when the army swept through Russia? We don`t know.

Back to the point - why?
Because people are basically nasty, vicious, and cruel towards anything that is not a part of their own little world.

PS.
Cateran Emperor - capitalism is a bilious system designed to debase as many people as possible to feed the few. But then I`m a Leninist, so I guess I just made your hate list.

 

[Gizmo]

If you hate socialism, it`s only because you don`t know what it means.

 

[Baskil]

To add to your point a little,

I think a lot of it is psychological. The truth is that people like the status quo if it suits them. If it doesn't, they lash out at what is causing the shift(or whoever is a good scapegoat). Look at when the KKK was created. IT was created, IIRC, during reconstruction, a time when the status quo was no more, and people resented that.

I mean, just look at all of the people who, ever magic set that comes out, say that they are quitting. They liked the old cards, and they don't like the direction it is going in.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to justify what these people are doing; I think they are the smegma of the earth. I'm just attempting to figure out why.

 

[Ristik]

Actually, the anti-Semitism in WWII Germany that I was referring to was in 1933, the height of the Depression. At this time, Germany was in financial hell because of losing WWI and because of the Depression. People used barrels of money to pay for things because of the extent of the inflation. Hitler blamed all these things on the Jews to garner support, and the burning in incenerators and things came a few years later.

And in response to Gizmo, those who have much money would not like socialism. I do know what socialism really is, and I support it because I believe it is morally and economically sound. However, there are those who would not agree because they are at the top of the heap in a capitalistic system.

 

[dw51688]

This issue is a strong issue in my mind, but I can't talk about it because the emotions are too great. People are entitled to do and believe as they please. No one should be able to stop them for their belief. I could go on, but I can't or else I'll go way out of proportion (emotion wise).

 

[Landkiller]

What does socialism do differently from capitalism, in real life? Socialism still has the rich over poor pyramid, it's only slightly different in shape.

Socialism = Communism, right?

 

[dw51688]

Please don't get me started on my speech about China and how disappointing it is for me to have a Chinese heritage...


Ay yah! ta min do shr ee sha wang bah dan!



Sorry for the profanity Multani. I mean the governemt not the people. Okay? Sorry if I meant any offense.

 

[Ristik]

Erm... Landkiller, I think you may need some education on Socialism and Communism. But first, let's give a good example of Socialism. Go pick up a copy of the Bible. Any copy will do, King James or Catholic. Read Acts of the Apostles, paying particular note to their socio-economic structure. That is Socialism.
Communism is the same basic setup, with one exception. According to Marx, writer of the Communist Manifesto, Communism is almost more of a movement installing Socialism. The Communism you are thinking of is probably what was going on in the USSR and what is going on in China. That's not Communism. That's a glorified dictatorship. There's just a touch of a difference in that a proper Communist society has no governmental structure, nor does it need one. Unfortunately, any large-scale attempt at a Communist society will fail because of human nature. There are a few small-scale versions that work; they are called Kibbutzim, and they are in Israel.

 

[Landkiller]

Yeah, I knew I didn't exactly know the difference b/w the two, thanks Ristik!

 

[Cateran Emperor]

After all, that can't put you on my hate list when you were already there!

Seriously though, I know what Socialism is. I also know that it is not Communism, as many people seem to think. Communism = economic system. Socialism = governmental system. They seem to innately go hand in hand, so many people mix them up.

Consider this though, why have there been no powerful Socialist nations throughout the world? Even the USSR was not truly Socialist, just borderline. Socialism is a very weak, very fragile system. You're telling EVERYONE to go against their base instincts and just live cooperatively. The greatest nations thrived under capitalism and competition, and always will.

Now as for why I hate Socialism, consider the concept. It means government control over as much as the system can get its mitts on. In essence, it punishes anyone who is successful, to misbegottenly help those who aren't successful. Now sure, helping the poor is good, that's not the issue here. It basically comes down to freedom. Socialist societies aren't free in any means of the word. When you work, you aren't rewarded for it. You haven't earned anything, you just get the same share as the next faceless person.

Capitalism is all about freedom. You keep what you earn, and you decide what to do with it. I give charity to the poor when I want to, not when (cue eerie music) The Government (end eerie music) says I have to.

That's the American way, and that's the way I like it.

[Edited by Cateran Emperor on 11-08-00 at 06:38 PM]

 

[Hawaiian mage]

You want to know something weird? In America, Communism is a dorogatory term. Even though it means the same thing a Community.

We all need someone to hate just as much as we need someone to love. It's just the way the world works.

Think of the yin-yang...