Suicide Black ala Darkstar

Discussion in 'Casual Decks/Variants/Etc' started by Darkstar, Sep 16, 2004.

  1. Darkstar An Entire Marching Band

    This isnt a beta... Ive tweaked it several times. I only lack 3 cards to finish it the way I would like it. Lmk what you guys think.

    1x Morality Shift
    2x Yawgmoth's Bargain
    3x Vicious Hunger
    4x Consume Spirit
    2x Drain Life
    2x Pox
    3x Pestilence
    4x Spinning Darkness
    4x Diabloic Edict
    4x Bubbling Muck
    2x Duress
    2x Ostracise

    2x Minion of the Wastes
    3x Nantuko Shade
    1x Avatar of Woe

    16x Swamp
    2x Cabal Coffers

    Its works nicely against a wide variety of decks... has a bit of a problem with sligh/land destrukt tho.

    Oh yeah, Im needing two Yawgmoth's Will and one Underworld Dreams to finish it off. If yu think yu might can help, plz send me a pm!

    Thx
  2. Gaea'sSaproling New Member

    coo, id throw in some more swamps and rituals since some of the stuff has a high cost
  3. Darkstar An Entire Marching Band

    Ive never had any mana problems with this deck...

    most everything is cheap in this deck, saving the biggies for the coffers nd mucks. fairly simple. adding land or rituals would in my opinion cripple this deck.

    If I were to get the Wills and the dreams, I would take out the morality shift, and all four spinning darkness'... replacing two of them with massacre perhaps. Does that seem like the most logical substitution?

    Lol, I guess theres plenty of other options. I havent bought any cards since onslaught, so Im fairly unfamiliar with the newer sets.

    thx
  4. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Night's Whispers or something like that maybe...

    I'm also surprised at not seeing any Hypnotic Specters or the like.

    Something like Hymn to Tourach would be good for your bad matchups, since it can hit early and removes two potential threats, or at least slows them down, generally...

    I would alter the creature base significantly. Minion of the Wastes is fun, but not practical. Nantuko Shade sucks up a lot of mana but might still fit in. The Avatar of Woe thing doesn't really have much of a way to lower its casting cost, but it's a great finisher. Other creatures that may work are Order of the Ebon Hand or Knight of Stromgald (same thing, really).

    I don't see Pestilence fitting all that well into this deck. If you keep it, I would recommend Darkling Stalker, which costs twice as much as Nantuko Shade, but has regeneration for synergy with Pestilence.

    Pox completely cripples you just as much as your opponent. I do not see how a deck like this can run Pox, but perhaps you're using it as a panic button, since it hits the opponent on so many levels. I'd go for something more along the lines of Nevinyrral's Disk for such an effect...

    I do not know why you would run a black deck without Dark Rituals, or how you came across the idea that they would cripple such a deck. Dark Ritual allows for nice first turn plays like Hypnotic Specter or Duress and Hymn to Tourach. Late game it fuels Drain Life. It is almost never a dead card. And if you're going to use Yawgmoth's Will, the mana boost from multiple Rituals is insane...

    Ostracize is such a bad card compared to Duress, Hymn to Tourach, Unmask, and Mind Twist that any of those cards would be great replacements for it.

    Running so few Swamps with the Cabal Coffers doesn't seem like it would help either. If you were using Lake of the Dead instead, that would be understandable...

    Anyway, this deck is not Suicide, but monoblack control. There's a discussion on suicide going on right now on this board, if you'd like to see Suicide. But this is a different concept altogether.

    What this deck needs is focus, in my opinion. Many of the cards you are using are excellent cards for monoblack, but when you use them together they have no synergy. Pox and Pestilence are a great example of this...
  5. train The Wildcard!!!...

    Barter in Blood might be something to look at over Spinning Darkness...
  6. Darkstar An Entire Marching Band

    New and Improved!


    1x Underworld Dreams
    2x Phyrexian Arena
    3x Vicious Hunger
    4x Consume Spirit
    2x Drain Life
    2x Pox
    3x Pestilence
    1x Massacre
    4x Diabloic Edict
    4x Bubbling Muck
    2x Duress
    2x Ostracise
    1x Infest
    2x Yawgmoth's Will

    2x Minion of the Wastes
    3x Nantuko Shade
    1x Avatar of Woe

    16x Swamp
    2x Cabal Coffers
  7. chris92 king

    ostracize is not the right thing your looking for, you need more hand disruption than that, hymns, specters and more duresses are staple.
    i think that your trying to do your own thing here and not simply sticking to the staples of most competitive black decks. and if it works for you, or you're having fun using 'em then that's just ay't :)
  8. Oversoul The Tentacled One

    Then one would really only be having fun because one's opponents are playing equally crappy decks. Casual is not the same as bad. I mean, Pestilence and Pox in the same deck... :(

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