oh my GOD , The pictures of the dead and captured American troops!! (inter to SEE!!)

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Moss

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hello everybody ,


im so sorry , my first post in this forum is horrible ...... i know !!

but it's truth , we have to face it

our media is fooling all of us






 
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Lotus Mox

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These are old news here in Germany.
The media here have also already shown the 2 captured Apache pilots, with their drivers licenses from Texas and other credit cards and stuff.

The estimated numbers of casualties of the Coalition, when they try to conquer Baghdad, range from several hundreds to 3,000.

Here's also a pic of one of the many civilian victims of this war:
http://www.rense.com/1.imagesE/irqgirl.jpg
 
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EricBess

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Originally posted by Moss
our media is fooling all of us
What are you talking about? I saw this on the news last night. I'm sure any media is tainted by the opinions of the country reporting the news, but they haven't tried to hide the fact that there have been quite a few POWs taken.
 
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train

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It was first news here... though a few of us knew it personally...;)
 
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Nightstalkers

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your really into this whole war thing aren't you Moss
 

Ferret

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Sure, there's been casualties. What do you expect? It's WAR!

The last time I looked people die in wars, people get captured in wars. Why are we so shocked when it's one of our people that gets captured? Maybe it's because we have CNN going along for the ride telling us how great everything is and making us feel that our troops are invincible supermen. They're human - just like the other guys that we're fighting...

-Ferret

"...statisticaly, our casualties are the lightest of most of the wars we fought in the Twentieth Century. Let's count our blessings..."
 

Spiderman

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I think Moss' original point was that the media was NOT showing US casualties and trying to hide them while everyone else replying was saying yes, they are.
 
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DÛke

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My cousin and her daughter were severely injured 2 days ago. Their house: good-bye. Thankfully they are rich.

One of my friends died today.

And...that is what I know so far. There is much unknown and still days to come...

Most of my relatives and friends live in Baghdad...what a beautiful city...

I'm not sad. I'm not crying. I'm not blaming. I'm burning. And I hope this serves a good memory should something "bad" overtakes the U.S. by surprise...
 

Ferret

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Sorry to here about your friends, Duke. They didn't ask for this. I'm not sure anyone in Iraq did. But, if it's any small consolation, it will make things better...naw, that's no consolation. When something like this hits this close to home, there's not much that can be said. I just hope we can get this over with soon with as little damage as possible.

-Ferret

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EricBess

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Quite honestly, Moss, what are you trying to accomplish?

That first one - We expect our POWs to be treated the same way -- there is a "code" of war and a respect for people that we expect to be followed. If the enemy doesn't follow it, it looks bad on them, not on us.

And just because some children have been injured -- This is war. Things happen, even when you try to avoid it. Hussein is putting his people up to protect himself. Should we therefore call off the war because we can't do it without hurting innocent children? Its a very sad thing, but do we say, "He's meaner to his own people than we want him to be - we'll just let him win."?

And where are they getting these pictures? The boy with the missing leg? Are you trying to tell me that he lost his leg within the past week? I don't think so! He's been without that leg for some time my friend.
 
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Moss

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I will just make a few points to help you out get a better grasp of
the situation.
Did you know that this 12 years of UN imposed sanctions have
killed more iraqis, mainly children, from famine and disenteria?
After more than 500,000 Iraqis have died, now US remembers
about the iraq situation and the oppresive regime and go to free
the people?
do you know how many juntas have been put into force by the
american in order to server their interests? you want to talk
about Chile?
a country like Greece had a dictatorship for 7 years due to the
good friends the US. Half of cyprus is still under turkish
occupation due to American plans to get their bases their. There
are numerous UN resolutions for Cyprus, but I dont see Mr Bush
marching in to enforce them or anybody else giving too much
thought about it.
There are many oppresive regimes in the middle east who choose
to keep their people with very little knowledge and keep control
through religious fanatism. Why pick iraq?


Iraq has the second biggest oil reserves in the planet, iraqi oil
costs 2 USD per barrel and is one with the least impurities. Also
getting control of iraq by installing a puppet goverment
introduces a splinter in OPEC, an organisation or more a cartel
that is controlling oil prices and is annoying US very much. (check
the oil crisis in the 1970s...)

UN weapons inspectors where pretty categorical that Sadam, no
longer had access to biological and chemical weapons. There is
no mention about nuclear weapons because it seems you do not
undestand the complexity of making a nuclear bomb. is not only
that you need very pure highly enriched fissionable material
which is very hard to come by (power plants do not use this) but
also the mechanism to start the chain reaction is very difficult to
produce.
This is not a war. This is an invasion to a country that is almost
defenseless against the combined military might of US and
Britain.
You know what Robin Cook said? I dont agree going to war with
a country that we have armed ourselves in the first place. Who
do you think supported Sadam after his military coup in the
1960s?Yes it was the americans and the british. They gave him
chemical weapons to fight against iran.
The 9/11 attacks are terifying but is still the result of US
intervention all over the world. You cannot go around opressing
people and still expect to be safe. There will be more 9/11
because although americans are arrogant, they are not invincible.
The UN Sanctions have been starving iraq, and weakening them
out. They could never have had the potential to threaten
anybody, not after 1991 and with the majority of the iraqi military
destroyed.
You believe in democracy. The united nations, and its extension
the security council were democratic organisations that did not
support this invasion. Did Bush and Blair listen? No to support
their own agenda they went ahead illegaly on their own on a
campaign that has alieanted US and UK from his allies. When
most of the European states are against the war and only Spain
and UK go for it and express differently, what do you think this
does to European cohesion?
For how long can you stand for Britain to be a pawn of the US, or
the 51st state as they jokingly call them.
There is no war that does not harm civilians. All this smart
weapons, well, they are not that smart to differentiate between
soldiers and civilians, they are just smart in killing more
effectively. The fact that they say very few civilians are being hurt
is complete nonsense. when you bomb from 30.000 feet, you do
not know where the bomb will fall. Bahdad is a city of 5.000.000
people, you still think very few civilians are being hurt?
As for the protesters being so violent as you say, how would you
feel if your voice, along with 70% of the world was against this
war and yet nobody listened to you?is this democracy? nope it is
not.

more than 140 MPs from Blairs own party are against the war.Why do you think they act this way?

and finally what americans dont know about their free country, is
that all information is carefully controlled and manipulated in
order to direct and form the counsioucness of the people the way
the goverment wants.
you ponder about the above, hope I have given you enough
good reasons why this war is not for liberation of freedom, but
for control of Oil reserves.
 

Ferret

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Amazing how many different places you can find the exact same mis-information... a couple of left-wing newspapers pring the same articles and most Americans being the good sheep that they are buy it...

...I guess when I look at the human race as a whole, 99% of them would rather not think for themselves and would be happy having anyone make their decisions for them. Wheter it's a president, a dictator that calls himself a president (Hussein, not Bush - save it), or just a newspaper or newscaster people get their opininions from outside sources.

You know what I think? Gas prices are too high. If winning this war lowers our gas prices and give us a nice stranglehold on the world, hooray for us!

-Ferret

"...and up from the ground came a bubbling crude - Oil, that is..."
 
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DÛke

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...

Am I the only person who thinks Ferret's above post contradicts on so many different levels?
 
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Lotus Mox

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Originally posted by Ferret
Amazing how many different places you can find the exact same mis-information... a couple of left-wing newspapers pring the same articles and most Americans being the good sheep that they are buy it...
Heh, the same could be said to right-wing newspapers etc., they just want to please their paying customers.
You must have some sort of über-knowledge if you can discern misinformation and information so easily :rolleyes:.
When you're in a herd of black sheep, you shouldn't laugh about the herd of white sheep.

...I guess when I look at the human race as a whole, 99% of them would rather not think for themselves and would be happy having anyone make their decisions for them. Wheter it's a president, a dictator that calls himself a president (Hussein, not Bush - save it), or just a newspaper or newscaster people get their opininions from outside sources.
weird how 99% of the humans think they belong to the 1% ;)

You know what I think? Gas prices are too high. If winning this war lowers our gas prices and give us a nice stranglehold on the world, hooray for us!
who's us?
 
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