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train

Guest
You know - i thought - hey a little mercy... not in TX, so Scotland can do what it wants... - but had he been there or in the states, i know he would have gone nowhere...

But then finding out that an oil deal was tied to it, and the doctors were "not influenced" by additional bank in their pockets...

it's almost like other countries are trying to see how far they can push a new president...

Where's W when you need him...

:eek:
 
Mooseman

Mooseman

Isengar Tussle
Invade Scotland... they are harboring terrorists and are part of the Axes of Evil.......
Although, we (the US) did not let one of the Manson killers outof prison to die of cancer...... and that's about right.... a life sentence is just that, until you die.... and we have been paying their upkeep for 40 years......
 
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EricBess

Guest
Is that really Scottish law??? Haven't they heard of suicide bombers?
 
Oversoul

Oversoul

The Tentacled One
Well, we have compassionate release too. It's not so bizarre. I don't know that it would be applied to someone who blew up an airplane, but that's not so much a matter of law as it is a matter of us being unwilling to let someone go who blew up an airplane. These things are decided on a case by case basis, and however screwed up Scotland was about this, there's not some terrible official policy that specifically applies in this type of case. It's just compassionate release and they applied it to a very serious offender whereas we probably would not. But maybe we have released some particularly egregious offenders on compassionate grounds before, although offhand I can't think of any.

The part about it that seems so messed up to me, though, is the whole corruption angle. I have a hard time believing that those doctors were able to make an objective assessment under the conditions.
 
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train

Guest
One of Scotland's conditions for clemency is "3 months to live" .... but it turned out that politics played a role in that an oil deal was in the works...

Also - to get to the 3 months condition - multiple doctors were consulted - all found with the extra bank in their pocket...

And don't get me started on life sentences - if I had to make the system more efficient:
life sentence = in jail until you die
in jail until you die = burden on taxpayers for dead man walking
burden on taxpayers for dead man walking = need to release burden and remove dead man walking
need to release burden and removed dead man walking = assist them in dying sooner
assist them in dying sooner = perform executions sooner
perform executions sooner = 1-3 years to live to finish appeals, then we execute you


so


life sentence = 1-3 years to live and finish appeals, then we execute you
 
Oversoul

Oversoul

The Tentacled One
You can simplify it and ease the burden on the poor taxpayers even more if that's the goal: just kill everyone on the whole planet. Problem solved.
 
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EricBess

Guest
You would have to get everyone, though. If you left even one person, that poor guy would need to handle the entire tax burden by himself.
 
Oversoul

Oversoul

The Tentacled One
Indeed. Not only would he be the only taxpayer in society, he'd have to collect the taxes from himself, since he'd be the only one to do that. And he'd have to be the sole legislator, executive, and judge. And constituent to, for that matter. I imagine that would be pretty hectic. He'd probably feel compelled to draft himself into the military too, since the military would be in such desperate shape. Poor guy. And he wouldn't get a cabinet to help him unless the members were him, him, him him, him..
 
Mooseman

Mooseman

Isengar Tussle
Heaven help the poor soul, he would have to travel to a bunch of town halls to yell and scream..... and then he would have to a Conservative, Liberal, Communist, Socialist, Libertarian, Green, Scientologist and .... ugh.... an Independent...... Who could do all that in one life time?
 
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train

Guest
Or he could pull a "screw that" and just take a nap and pull a rip van winkle... maybe evolution would take its course again and he'd wake up to a new... something...

:sheesh:
 
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train

Guest
And the new underwear bomber - wth is anyone thinking allowing him any legal representation!!!...

Where the heck has common sense gone in this world?...
 
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Melkor

Well-known member
You're right, somewhere along the line we lost our way with these crazy things like fair trials, innoccent until proven guilty, and the rule of law.
 
turgy22

turgy22

Nothing Special
My first thought when I heard about that - are the airlines going to mandate that everyone remove their underwear while going through security now? I mean, we had the shoe bomber, now everyone has to take off their shoes. The natural progression implies that if someone smuggles a bomb in their underpants... well, I think you get what I'm saying.
 
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train

Guest
Melkor;288885 said:
You're right, somewhere along the line we lost our way with these crazy things like fair trials, innoccent until proven guilty, and the rule of law.
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My point is that those rights are afforded citizens of our country... for Non-citizens - why would there be any consideration... If I was in a foreign country and did anything similar, I would expect to receive whatever they decided to do to me according to rules they have for terror suspects, etc.
 
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Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
But we *can* be "bigger" in terms of treatment than other countries...

turgy22: Hence the talk about implementing and using full body scanners.
 
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train

Guest
I'm totally up for setting an example... but if a deliberate attack is attempted on our country - in this case it was - then I feel all rights should be abolished for the individual...

Same for anyone going on shooting sprees, mass murder attempts, serial killers, etc.

If it is anything pre-meditated - down with the rights... And I'm sorry - but I feel that way for those with mental deficiencies if there is proof that it was pre-meditated...

We can all get along at the minimal point where we are not killing others in pre-meditated manners.
 
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