Yawgmoth's Agenda

immortal grave walker · 10-26-2000, 10:38 AM

When I play this card onmy turn does it count as my one spell per turn?

Also can I play the ability
of the card on my opponents turn?

EricBess · 10-26-2000, 10:59 AM

Yes, it counts as a spell played on your turn.

Yes, you can play fron your graveyard any time you could play a spell, even on your opponent's turn. You may not play a spell when otherwise could not play it, however. So, you can cast an instant from the graveyard on your opponent's turn, but not a creature.

Cateran Emperor · 10-26-2000, 09:03 PM

No and yes. The Agenda can't see itself as it's being played. You can cast one more spell once the Agenda resolves. EB is correct on the second count though.

Baskil · 10-27-2000, 07:26 AM

Wouldn't this fall under the same ruling as Arcane Lab? Which I thought counted itself when it was played.

Chaos Turtle · 10-27-2000, 07:27 AM

Actually, EricBess has it right.

Think of it like this.
You play Yawgmoth's Agenda, then try to announce another spell. The game wants to know: "Have you already played a spell this turn?" The answer, of course, is yes; you played Yawmoth's Agenda.

(This is the same way Arcane Lab works.)

Chaos Turtle · 10-27-2000, 07:28 AM

What timing, Baskil.

Spiderman · 10-27-2000, 07:33 AM

Arcane Lab DOES count itself.

Concerning Yawgmoth's Agenda however, Delaney says it looks back and counts all spells cast previously in the turn but doesn't specifically say whether it counts itself like Arcane Lab does.

See www.crystalkeep.com

Specifically, http://www.activesw.com/~sdangelo/ma...h's Agenda for Yawgmoth's Agenda.

And now I see CT has replied. Boy, this is hot...

EricBess · 10-27-2000, 12:21 PM

The Agenda definitely sees itself. This is recent from the rules team. There was a mistake on the FAQ, which has been corrected.

Agenda works exactly the same way as Arcane Lab for purposes of determining if a spell has been cast.

The only relevant question is: Have you already played a spell this turn? Not: Can you play another spell this turn?

Spiderman · 10-27-2000, 12:25 PM

Is there a current link to see the rules correction? I'm guessing it will during crystalkeep's regularly monthly update when it will appear there.

Ransac · 10-27-2000, 12:28 PM

I add my vote in saying that Y.'s Agenda counts as the one spell. There's no question about it. Vote for me.

Ransac, running under the monkey party

Ransac/Monkey 2000

10-26-2000, 10:38 AM	#1
immortal grave walker Registered User Join Date: May 2000 Posts: 217	When I play this card onmy turn does it count as my one spell per turn? Also can I play the ability of the card on my opponents turn? __________________ its getting harder and harder trying to fight off the E.M.t. You have to run to get there in the nick of time.----------flatline.^.^.^.^.^.^.

10-26-2000, 10:59 AM	#2
EricBess Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wildomar, CA Age: 40 Posts: 3,262	Yes and yes Yes, it counts as a spell played on your turn. Yes, you can play fron your graveyard any time you could play a spell, even on your opponent's turn. You may not play a spell when otherwise could not play it, however. So, you can cast an instant from the graveyard on your opponent's turn, but not a creature.

10-26-2000, 09:03 PM	#3
Cateran Emperor Passed On Join Date: Aug 2000 Age: 26 Posts: 1,657	No and yes. The Agenda can't see itself as it's being played. You can cast one more spell once the Agenda resolves. EB is correct on the second count though. __________________ Farewell CPA, I move on... If you actually notice that I'm gone and want to talk, you can AIM me at Kvak99

10-27-2000, 07:26 AM	#4
Baskil CPA Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Age: 31 Posts: 445	Wouldn't this fall under the same ruling as Arcane Lab? Which I thought counted itself when it was played. __________________ Baskil Friday Night Society Movie Reviews

10-27-2000, 07:33 AM	#7
Spiderman CPA Man in Tights Dopey Administrative Assistant Web-Slinger Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Baltimore, MD, USA Age: 37 Posts: 36,738	it's not exactly clear Arcane Lab DOES count itself. Concerning Yawgmoth's Agenda however, Delaney says it looks back and counts all spells cast previously in the turn but doesn't specifically say whether it counts itself like Arcane Lab does. See www.crystalkeep.com Specifically, http://www.activesw.com/~sdangelo/ma...h's Agenda for Yawgmoth's Agenda. And now I see CT has replied. Boy, this is hot... __________________ ..O..........O\\|/ ./\|'-'.------>X< Thwip! ..^..........O/\|\ .'...'

10-27-2000, 07:27 AM	#5
Chaos Turtle Demiurgic CPA Member Admin. Ass. Full of Sound and Fury Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: A Dusty Shell in the Desert Age: 39 Posts: 2,883	Actually, EricBess has it right. Think of it like this. You play Yawgmoth's Agenda, then try to announce another spell. The game wants to know: "Have you already played a spell this turn?" The answer, of course, is yes; you played Yawmoth's Agenda. (This is the same way Arcane Lab works.)

10-27-2000, 07:28 AM	#6
Chaos Turtle Demiurgic CPA Member Admin. Ass. Full of Sound and Fury Join Date: Feb 2000 Location: A Dusty Shell in the Desert Age: 39 Posts: 2,883	What timing, Baskil.

10-27-2000, 12:21 PM	#8
EricBess Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Wildomar, CA Age: 40 Posts: 3,262	No question here. Just confusion The Agenda definitely sees itself. This is recent from the rules team. There was a mistake on the FAQ, which has been corrected. Agenda works exactly the same way as Arcane Lab for purposes of determining if a spell has been cast. The only relevant question is: Have you already played a spell this turn? Not: Can you play another spell this turn?

10-27-2000, 12:25 PM	#9
Spiderman CPA Man in Tights Dopey Administrative Assistant Web-Slinger Join Date: Jan 2000 Location: Baltimore, MD, USA Age: 37 Posts: 36,738	for my own curiosity... Is there a current link to see the rules correction? I'm guessing it will during crystalkeep's regularly monthly update when it will appear there. __________________ ..O..........O\\|/ ./\|'-'.------>X< Thwip! ..^..........O/\|\ .'...'

10-27-2000, 12:28 PM	#10
Ransac CPA Trash Man Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Cleveland, OH Age: 27 Posts: 9,396	I add my vote in saying that Y.'s Agenda counts as the one spell. There's no question about it. Vote for me. Ransac, running under the monkey party Ransac/Monkey 2000 __________________ 2-Time CPW Champ & CPA Survivor First Singleton Ultimate Draft Champion SSUD Record: 6-1 (12-2); Lost to Melkor *NOTABLE AWARDS: Funniest: '01, '02, '05, '06 Most Spirited: '01, '02, '05 Spammer: '01, '04 (/NS), '06 Most Likely to become famous for Non-Magic Reasons: '02, '06 (/Orgg) Most Likely to Post while naked: '04, '06 (/NS & DF) Best Entrance: '04 (/EB & CT), '05 The Beatdown Guy*: '06 (/Homestar & MM)

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