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Griffith_se
Guest
Why Troublesome Spirit over Air Elemental?
Is Gush necessary?
Is Gush necessary?
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Ekaquinox
Guest
The reason: Trublesome Spirit cost less than Air Elemental
And Gush helpes you get Islands to Foil and to gain card advantage.
And Gush helpes you get Islands to Foil and to gain card advantage.
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Lotus Mox
Guest
4 mana is a lot less than 5 
Gush is card drawing (DUH!), smoothes out your mana (e.g. when you stall at 3 islands, you can tap 2 for blue return 2 to your hand and replay one) and finally has amazing synergy with Foil and Rising Waters from sideboard
Gush is card drawing (DUH!), smoothes out your mana (e.g. when you stall at 3 islands, you can tap 2 for blue return 2 to your hand and replay one) and finally has amazing synergy with Foil and Rising Waters from sideboard
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Lotus Mox
Guest
I'm too slow
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Hetemti
Guest
Swinging for 4 each turn is a lot more than 3.
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Gizmo
Guest
The thing is, you doln`t want to be casting your monster turn 5 , you want to be casting it turn 4. It`s simple Maths, an Air Elemental has to swing for 4 for four turns to overcome the damage advantage that the Troublesome has by coming down a turn earlier and so getting another attack. By that time the game is over.
Add in that the deck want`s to be able to suck up it`s Islands to Gush ASAP and the Air Elemental is plain inferior. Extravagant Spirit can be added, but has no synergy with Gush or Thwart, you`d maybe add Elementals for the mirror, but I doubt it.
Gush is the real reason that SKies is very good, as it`s pure card advantage and fuels all your ACC spells (although you really need to choose if you prefer Gush or Thwart, as they kind of work at cross purposes to each other - run 4 of one, 2 of the other).
Add in that the deck want`s to be able to suck up it`s Islands to Gush ASAP and the Air Elemental is plain inferior. Extravagant Spirit can be added, but has no synergy with Gush or Thwart, you`d maybe add Elementals for the mirror, but I doubt it.
Gush is the real reason that SKies is very good, as it`s pure card advantage and fuels all your ACC spells (although you really need to choose if you prefer Gush or Thwart, as they kind of work at cross purposes to each other - run 4 of one, 2 of the other).
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Griffith_se
Guest
Ok then, how does this look?
If I play in a Tourney, Skies will be the cheapest for Me to build I already have most of the cards.
4 Troublesome Spirit
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Rishadan Airship
4 Chimeric Idol
3 Sky Diamond
4 Wash Out
4 Gush
4 Accumulated Knowledge (or should I use FoF, Brian Storm or Opt)?
4 Foil
2 Thwart
3 Daze
20 Island
I going to need a sideboard also.
I'm probably going to need Submerge, Maybe Rising Waters, and possibly Air Elemental, Chill?
If I play in a Tourney, Skies will be the cheapest for Me to build I already have most of the cards.
4 Troublesome Spirit
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Rishadan Airship
4 Chimeric Idol
3 Sky Diamond
4 Wash Out
4 Gush
4 Accumulated Knowledge (or should I use FoF, Brian Storm or Opt)?
4 Foil
2 Thwart
3 Daze
20 Island
I going to need a sideboard also.
I'm probably going to need Submerge, Maybe Rising Waters, and possibly Air Elemental, Chill?
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Lotus Mox
Guest
you should use Opt instead of Acc. Knowledge, it's too slow in sucha deck.
My sideboard suggestions(keep in mind I suck at sideboarding):
3 Rising Waters
3 Submerge
2 Withdraw
3 Chill
3 Misdirection
My sideboard suggestions(keep in mind I suck at sideboarding):
3 Rising Waters
3 Submerge
2 Withdraw
3 Chill
3 Misdirection
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Gizmo
Guest
This is my personal Skies list - very similar to your own there.
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Rishadan Airship
4 Chimeric Idol
4 Troublesome Spirit
4 Brainstorm
4 Opt
2 Daze
2 Thwart
4 Foil
3 Wash out
4 Gush
20 Islands
(59 cards)
The last slot is currently in Schroedingers Uncertainty Paradox. It is at the same time both all of, and none of, the following cards:
Wash Out, Daze, Thwart, Withdraw, Boomerang, Rushing River, Alexi Zephyr Mage.
SB:
4 Rising Waters
2 Daze
3 Prodigal Sorceror (mirrormatch beatings)
4 Withdraw
1 Wash Out
2 Submerge
(16 cards)
This is because usually one of them ends up as card 60 in the maindeck
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Rishadan Airship
4 Chimeric Idol
4 Troublesome Spirit
4 Brainstorm
4 Opt
2 Daze
2 Thwart
4 Foil
3 Wash out
4 Gush
20 Islands
(59 cards)
The last slot is currently in Schroedingers Uncertainty Paradox. It is at the same time both all of, and none of, the following cards:
Wash Out, Daze, Thwart, Withdraw, Boomerang, Rushing River, Alexi Zephyr Mage.
SB:
4 Rising Waters
2 Daze
3 Prodigal Sorceror (mirrormatch beatings)
4 Withdraw
1 Wash Out
2 Submerge
(16 cards)
This is because usually one of them ends up as card 60 in the maindeck
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NeuroDeus
Guest
This is my current Skies deck (winning every Fires deck in town)
4x Troublesome Spirit
4x Spiketail Hatchling (little Spikey)
4x Rishadan Airship
4x Chimeric Idol
4x Accumulated Knowledge
4x Opt
4x Daze
4x Thwart
3x Foil
2x Wash out
2x Gush
1x Rath's Edge (see my opponent's Rishadan Airships crashing, I love this card)
20x Islands
Sideboard
4x Rising Waters
2x Teferi's Response
3x Submerge
3x Chill
4x Waterfront Bouncer
The deck works... I have been using it for 2 months now
4x Troublesome Spirit
4x Spiketail Hatchling (little Spikey)
4x Rishadan Airship
4x Chimeric Idol
4x Accumulated Knowledge
4x Opt
4x Daze
4x Thwart
3x Foil
2x Wash out
2x Gush
1x Rath's Edge (see my opponent's Rishadan Airships crashing, I love this card)
20x Islands
Sideboard
4x Rising Waters
2x Teferi's Response
3x Submerge
3x Chill
4x Waterfront Bouncer
The deck works... I have been using it for 2 months now
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Griffith_se
Guest
I noticed neither one of Your decks have Sky Diamond's, are they not worth while?
Could Storm Cauldron (have 2 Cauldron and 2 water) be an adequate replacement for Rising Waters, or should I just get the waters?
Has anyone played, or considered Essence Leak SB against Fires? Is it any good?
Do You think it would be any good to splash a little red (Earth Quake)? Maybe instead of Sky Diamonds, Fire Diamonds?
Could Storm Cauldron (have 2 Cauldron and 2 water) be an adequate replacement for Rising Waters, or should I just get the waters?
Has anyone played, or considered Essence Leak SB against Fires? Is it any good?
Do You think it would be any good to splash a little red (Earth Quake)? Maybe instead of Sky Diamonds, Fire Diamonds?
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Gizmo
Guest
For me it was a choice between Daze and Diamond. The original argument I heard against Daze was that it retarded your mana, you tapped to play the Diamond, then Dazed and were still on 3 mana. Now my second turn is eithre drop a Hatchling, or hold to Daze, in either case I am ready with countermagic for that dreaded Meddling Mage 'Wash out'.
I don`t see the point in Diamonds in a deck that curves so nicely, personally. And we get away with running fewer mana sources by playing the extra draw spells to see our cards differently. I`m not sure my version is 'better' - the loss of mana producers makes me worse vs Ports, but I don`t think that`s a key threat at the moment, and I`m more worried about draw consistency so I play with Opts (Acc Knowledge sounds very poor).
You really need Waters.
I don`t see the point in Diamonds in a deck that curves so nicely, personally. And we get away with running fewer mana sources by playing the extra draw spells to see our cards differently. I`m not sure my version is 'better' - the loss of mana producers makes me worse vs Ports, but I don`t think that`s a key threat at the moment, and I`m more worried about draw consistency so I play with Opts (Acc Knowledge sounds very poor).
You really need Waters.
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Griffith_se
Guest
What do You think about running Eye of Ramos and Rising Waters main deck?
4 Troublesome Spirit
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Rishadan Airship
4 Chimeric Idol
4 Eye of Ramos
3 Rising Waters
4 Gush
4 Opt
4 Foil
2 Thwart
2 Daze
20 Island
1 Rath's Edge
4 Troublesome Spirit
4 Spiketail Hatchling
4 Rishadan Airship
4 Chimeric Idol
4 Eye of Ramos
3 Rising Waters
4 Gush
4 Opt
4 Foil
2 Thwart
2 Daze
20 Island
1 Rath's Edge
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Lotus Mox
Guest
Rising Waters main can surprise some decks
I recommend the use of Sky Diamonds instead of the Eye because it fits the Skies mana curve better.
I recommend the use of Sky Diamonds instead of the Eye because it fits the Skies mana curve better.
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Alf the White
Guest
A question ???
In what turn in the play you peolpe use the waters and agains what decks. ???
In what turn in the play you peolpe use the waters and agains what decks. ???
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Rick Vaughn
Guest
Well here s my personal skies deck( i can say i made it by myself):
4x troblesome spirit
4x rishadan airship
4x chimeric idol
4x spiketail hatchling
4x thwart
4x foil
4x brainstorm
3x gush
4x sky diamond
4x wash out
3x rushing river
19x islands
Well i think gush is really necessary,so are thwart and foil too.Countering is better than returning permanent to owner's hand!!Wash out is very very important since on 4th turn u can return either fires and birds/or other creatures like blasto and ur opponent will need much time to replay all his hand(and now u' ll ur counters ready), so u can beat him by troblesome and ship.If u can play wash out,and the following turn rushing river/or wash out again by gush/brainstorm he will be down easily!!
4x troblesome spirit
4x rishadan airship
4x chimeric idol
4x spiketail hatchling
4x thwart
4x foil
4x brainstorm
3x gush
4x sky diamond
4x wash out
3x rushing river
19x islands
Well i think gush is really necessary,so are thwart and foil too.Countering is better than returning permanent to owner's hand!!Wash out is very very important since on 4th turn u can return either fires and birds/or other creatures like blasto and ur opponent will need much time to replay all his hand(and now u' ll ur counters ready), so u can beat him by troblesome and ship.If u can play wash out,and the following turn rushing river/or wash out again by gush/brainstorm he will be down easily!!
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Griffith_se
Guest
What do You think about this version?
Not as good as straight up Skies?
Or just a totally bad idea?
2 Air Elemental
4 Prodigal Sorcerer/Stinging Barrier?
3 Glacial Wall
3 Chimeric Idol
4 Sky Diamond/Eye of Ramos?
4 Gush
4 Foil
4 Daze
2 Thwart
1 Wash out
4 Opt
4 Brainstorm
20 Island
1 Raths Edge
Not as good as straight up Skies?
Or just a totally bad idea?
2 Air Elemental
4 Prodigal Sorcerer/Stinging Barrier?
3 Glacial Wall
3 Chimeric Idol
4 Sky Diamond/Eye of Ramos?
4 Gush
4 Foil
4 Daze
2 Thwart
1 Wash out
4 Opt
4 Brainstorm
20 Island
1 Raths Edge
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NeuroDeus
Guest
Griffith you could change that deck you submitted into a really good Rising Waters deck... maybe taking out the Chimeric Idols... and you got too many walls
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Burrito
Guest
At the moment I'm trying a skies deck with a tweak. It is performing quite good against fires and rebels, especially after sideboard (about 70% win rate).
Creatures:
4 Spiketail hatchling
4 Troublesome spirits
4 Chimeric idol
2 Air elemental
2 Glacial walls
Spells:
3 Washout
3 Thwart
3 Foil
2 Counterspells
4 Daze
4 Gush
2 Tsabo's Web
1 Tsabo's Decree
1 Fact or Fiction
Land:
1 Swamp
4 Underground river
16 Islands
Sideboard:
4 Perish
3 Decree
3 Gainsay
2 Cremate
3 Boomerang ?
Not perfect of course. But a start to a metagame tweaked Skies deck.
Creatures:
4 Spiketail hatchling
4 Troublesome spirits
4 Chimeric idol
2 Air elemental
2 Glacial walls
Spells:
3 Washout
3 Thwart
3 Foil
2 Counterspells
4 Daze
4 Gush
2 Tsabo's Web
1 Tsabo's Decree
1 Fact or Fiction
Land:
1 Swamp
4 Underground river
16 Islands
Sideboard:
4 Perish
3 Decree
3 Gainsay
2 Cremate
3 Boomerang ?
Not perfect of course. But a start to a metagame tweaked Skies deck.
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Griffith_se
Guest
Does it suffer from the lack of card drawing power?
How about mana, do You find Yourself short of mana?
How about mana, do You find Yourself short of mana?