OnBC: Zombie/Bidding

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Rakamir

Guest
My Zombies deck is aggro main with Patriarch's Biddings side as I find the card next to worthless vs Tribal decks, although not totally (but mostly, he said unequivicatably ... darn flaky people!)

I don't know who Mons Johnson is, the name sounds familiar, but the fellow has one of the better Scourge articles around up at Star City, which I strongly encourage you to read, here:

http://www.starcitygames.com/php/news/expandnews.php?Article=5131

Personally, I grew tired of really bad decklists at Star City years ago, and if I check it more than twice a year I'm checking it a lot. I guess it's gotten better with articles like that. Anyway, here is a starting Zombies/Bidding decklist from that article that Mons stresses is only a first pass. Have fun with it!

Zombies/Bidding
Mons Johnson

4 Carrion Feeder
3 Festering Goblin
3 Withered Wretch
4 Rotlung Reanimator
3 Zombie Cutthroat
3 Noxious Ghoul
4 Putrid Raptor
1 Gempalm Polluter
4 Twisted Abomination
3 Read the Runes
3 Rush of Knowledge
3 Patriarch's Bidding
2 Unholy Grotto
4 Polluted Delta
5 Island
12 Swamp

Sideboard:
4 Smother
4 Undead Warchief
1 Rush of Knowledge
1 Festering Goblin
1 Withered Wretch
2 Call to the Grave
2 Complicate
 
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Rakamir

Guest
3 Carrion Feeder
3 Festering Goblin
4 Noxious Ghoul
4 Putrid Raptor
4 Rotlung Reanimator
4 Twisted Abomination
4 Withered Wretch

4 Patriarch's Bidding
4 Read the Runes
3 Rush of Knowledge

4 Grand Coliseum
3 Island
4 Polluted Delta
12 Swamp

board:
3 Call to the Grave
3 Cruel Revival
3 Head Games
3 Infest
3 Smother

article at Brainburst
 
T

train

Guest
Okay - After going through the article... it hit me that this actually hasn't been played yet...

and the blue black idea, is only hurtful to the deck...

If zombies are going to be run - they need ot run as a mono-color deck.

However - all you need to do is be able to get rid of the graveyard...

Here's my tidbit on making the beasts more viable - Animal Magnetism...

Here's my tidbit on removing a graveyard... entrails feaster, fade from memory, reminisce, wretch...

I'm just going to say what I noticed - zombie vs. zombie draws... in general of course... you don't want to draw - you want to win...

The only possible advantage would be to splash blue and run the reminisces...

There are so many options in other colors...
 
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Rakamir

Guest
Eddie Anderson's ZombieBiddingRunes deck from Detroit Top 64:

16 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
3 Island
1 Unholy Grotto
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24 land

4 Rotlung Reanimator
4 Withered Wretch
4 Putrid Raptor
4 Twisted Abomination
3 Festering Goblin
2 Carrion Feeder
4 Noxious Ghoul
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25 creatures

4 Read the Runes
4 Patriarch's Bidding
3 Infest
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11 other spells

Board:

4 Smother
3 Call to the Grave
3 Gempalm Polluter
2 Head Games
I don't know why there are only 12 sideboard cards either.

Another Top 64 deck, by Mike Stewart:

12 Swamp
4 Grand Coliseum
4 Polluted Delta
2 Unholy Grotto
1 Island
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23 land

3 Festering Goblin
3 Carrion Feeder
3 Withered Wretch
4 Twisted Abomination
4 Rotlung Reanimator
3 Putrid Raptor
2 Soulless One
4 Noxious Ghoul
3 Gempalm Polluter
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29 creatures

4 Read the Runes
4 Patriarch's Bidding
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8 other spells

3 Head Games
1 Soulless One
1 Gempalm Polluter
2 Call to the Grave
2 Vengeful Dead
3 Infest
3 Smother

another Top 64, by David Williams:

3 Island
12 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
2 Barren Moor
2 Unholy Grotto
2 Grand Coliseum
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25 land

4 Noxious Ghoul
4 Rotlung Reanimator
4 Putrid Raptor
2 Gempalm Polluter
3 Twisted Abomination
4 Festering Goblin
3 Withered Wretch
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24 creatures

2 Infest
2 Smother
4 Patriarch's Bidding
2 Read the Runes
1 Cruel Revival
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11 other spells

Board:

3 Graveborn Muse
3 Head Games
2 Gempalm Polluter
2 Infest
2 Smother
3 Call to the Grave

another, by Michael Cannistraro

2 Barren Moor
2 Island
4 Polluted Delta
14 Swamp
2 Unholy Grotto
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24 land

3 Festering Goblin
2 Gempalm Polluter
4 Noxious Ghoul
2 Putrid Raptor
4 Rotlung Reanimator
3 Twisted Abomination
4 Withered Wretch
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22 creatures

2 Call to the Grave
4 Patriarch's Bidding
4 Read the Runes
4 Smother
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14 other spells

2 Call to the Grave
2 Chain of Vapor
2 Decree of Pain
2 Gempalm Polluter
3 Infest
4 Stabilizer

another, by Josh Barrett

4 Island
4 Polluted Delta
14 Swamp
2 Unholy Grotto
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24 land

2 Carrion Feeder
2 Gempalm Polluter
2 Graveborn Muse
2 Nantuko Husk
3 Noxious Ghoul
4 Rotlung Reanimator
2 Twisted Abomination
4 Vengeful Dead
4 Withered Wretch
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25 creatures

4 Patriarch's Bidding
4 Read the Runes
3 Smother
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11 other spells

Board:

1 Smother
4 Festering Goblin
2 Infest
3 Chain of Vapor
2 Gempalm Polluter
2 Call to the Grave
1 Cruel Revival

one last one from the Top 64 Detroit, by David Triplo

3 Island
4 Polluted Delta
15 Swamp
2 Unholy Grotto
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24 land

3 Festering Goblin
2 Gempalm Polluter
4 Noxious Ghoul
4 Putrid Raptor
4 Rotlung Reanimator
4 Twisted Abomination
4 Withered Wretch
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25 creatures

3 Infest
4 Patriarch's Bidding
4 Read the Runes
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11 other spells

Board:

3 Call to the Grave
1 Gempalm Polluter
2 Head Games
1 Infest
3 Smother
2 Soulless One
3 Undead Warchief
 
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Rakamir

Guest
Eddie Anderson did the best at 15th
David Williams was 19th
The rest finished lower.
This archetype has a problem with Goblins and my BW Control, but RW Control has a very difficult time beating it.
 
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whuppinboy

Guest
here's my zombie deck i play online, it's all black and it does very well so far except against fast gobbo decks


2 cabal coffers
2 unholy grotto
16 swamp

4 chainers edict
4 innocent blood
2 patriarch's bidding
2 corrupt
1 call to the grave (only 1 i have)

4 noxious ghoul
4 gempalm polluter
4 soulless one
4 twisted abomination
2 graveborn muse
4 undead warchief
3 vengeful dead
2 nefashu

nothing like having 1 or 2 noxious ghoul in the graveyard and bidding him into play with all the others that sacrificed themselves to keep me from losing life
:p
 
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Rakamir

Guest
Noxious Ghoul is sweet. Bringing a cupla Warchiefs back too is .... well, it's just not fair .... to your opponent.:)

Tell me, why no Rotlung Reanimators? Too slow for Type Two?
 
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whuppinboy

Guest
heh, it's sweet as all get out when you bid the ghouls into play and it wipes the board. it's even better in multipayer :D

i don't run rotlungs simply becuz it only works for cleric unless you can splash some blue to play artificial evolution.
 
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Rakamir

Guest
Withered Wretch is a Cleric too. Vs Control, a simple 2/2 token is a thorn. They Vengeance and ... , oops !! Didn't sweep the board, did we, and us at low life and all? But don't mind me ... I have OnBC on the brain. For all I know your deck rocks in T2.

In OnBC, this archetype has serious issues with Goblins and BW Control maindecking 4 Withered Wretch.
 
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Rakamir

Guest
Word is that this archetype is ripping up the e-league tourney.

It makes sense, because Maher's Wr deck, which lacks Exalted Angels, loses horribly to this archetype. Not even sure the angels would help. Anyway, BEcause Maher won, people are just netdecking it, which pretty much tells others to stray from Goblins and play Bidding. Next step: Stray back to Gobbos.

Only Lotus Mox and I know what to play in that regard ... a deck that beats all three ...BW Control.:)
 
T

train

Guest
What beats Zombie bidding - and B/W control...

R/W Soldiers...;)

Told you I've been working on it...

Mobilization and Aggravated Assault are just wrong...

Though the Assault has recently been pulled form the deck...
 
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Rakamir

Guest
Goblins beat Zombie Bidding, and the mirror can beat BW Control. :)

According to the latest E-league results, Aggro Zombies can also beat Zombie Bidding, if the results of the finals in their latest championship are to be believed, in which 4 RW decks made Top 8 as well as a Form of the Dragon and MWC deck as well. A straight up Maher Detroit Champ's deck (RW w/o Exalteds) made Top 4 along with the Form. What, no Goblins? Here are the decks:

http://www.e-league.com/decks.php?view=35
 
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whuppinboy

Guest
aggravated assault and wirewood channeler is the sickest combo when the channeler stays on the board. 4 llanowars, 4 channelers, some creature removal and one blaze is all ya need :D
 
S

Spiderman

Administrator
Staff member
Are you going solely by e-league? If so, is it a reliable indicator? I mean, do the people know what they're doing and is it a similiar indication of what people will play in real life?

I'm not familiar with it which is why I'm asking.
 
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Rakamir

Guest
E-league gets trashed a lot by the better players, seeing as how anyone with a computer and no cards can play it. I don't like the (too good) computer randomization, myself. Then again, I'm very much a physical player. I prefer to play Constructed Magic only with real cards, or real proxies (!?), vs real players. If I want to Computer game, I'll play Homeworld or Diablo 2. Personal preference.

In spite of E-league's "rep", I'd still consider the results this close to the start of the season.
 
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